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#1 OFFLINE   Wendy

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Posted 09 August 2010 - 06:22 PM

I'm here courtesy of one of your Alert Members, who found my post languishing...elsewhere. I'm hoping you guys can help me!

I have an IG 8 years old, Emma, who is in remission from IMHA three years ago. I posted in The Other Place then, but my account apparently went "poof."

In any case--my parents lost their beloved Tessa (15 years old) a little over two months ago, very rapidly, to cancer. A friend of mine just wrote me a few days ago about a rescue situation, so my parents will be getting a puppy--and we just found out within the past hour that we will be picking her up TOMORROW NIGHT (we'd hoped for a few more days).

Here's the scary situation: these puppies are just five weeks old. They must leave the home--and their mother--tomorrow morning. Their mother will remain in the home (both issues are non-negotiable; we've asked and the woman removing them from the home had already tried).

I know that 8 weeks is more usual, and that for IGs in particular, more than that is better. My questions/concerns are: what additional health/mental risks will this puppy have because she will have been taken from her mom (and sisters) so early? What do we need to do differently than we've done for the others we've had in the past (the first was several months old, a direct rescue out of an abusive situation, over thirty years ago; Tessa and Ems were 8 weeks old)? Might there be any long-term problems as a result of such an early adoption? Also, is there an increased risk that Emma might see her as prey rather than a potential cousin, because of how little she is? I have my own house, but I spend a lot of time with my parents, and we're hoping to use Ems to help socialize her (especially until she's old enough to have her shots and be with other puppies).

Thanks for any help. smile.gif I know that this would have been better handled through an IG rescue group with foster parents, etc. (my dad even suggested to my mom that if the woman would surrender the dam, we could take her and all three puppies and foster them), but the main thing here is to get them out of a potentially dangerous situation (that's part of the longer story).

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Posted 09 August 2010 - 06:35 PM

wow....5 weeks old sad.gif If there is no possible way to get the mother out as well, and the pups must be removed, then having your Emma there as much as possible will greatly help. I would immediately contact the Vet your parents have used about supplementing with a puppy formula to take the place of mom, and to have the pup checked asap...hopefully directly after picking the puppy up. Of course the pup will have to be kept inside until it is well through it's puppy shots, and kept warm....no littermates of mom to snuggle with. Wait about 10 days to introduce Emma to her to be sure the puppy is healthy and not incubating anything.

Don't be surprised if the pup tries to nurse on Emma....introduce slowly. When ever I got a new pup...the others always loved the puppy. Please keep us updated.
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Posted 09 August 2010 - 06:51 PM

Yep, on the vet's advice my mom picked up some canned Canidae ALS and a can of Esbilac (?). He said we might need to mix them. And, yes, my mom will take her in to him Wednesday morning, first thing.

Okay--don't let Emma around her at first? I wondered about that, especially with the IMHA. So, I should keep her at my house, then bring her over? Or do I need to wait until the little one has had shots?

That's another thing--the woman removing the puppies from the home was going to see to their shots, but we told her to hold off. My understanding is that shots given that early won't "take." Mom will take her to Dr. T Wednesday morning for a checkup and deworming, though.

Any other info? What extra work will they/we need to do to help her overcome the hurdle presented by her early "orphaning"? Is she definitely doomed to be physically/mentally/socially abnormal? sad.gif Please tell me this isn't the case....We want to do what's right by this little girl. My mom has been teary off and on since we heard about the situation--happy ("There's a hole in my heart" b/c of the death of her beloved Tess) and sad and scared all at once.

I just want to find out where they are and swoop in and take all three puppies and the mom somewhere and lavish love on them for the next month.

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Posted 09 August 2010 - 07:42 PM

I got Candy at only 6 weeks old, bad breeder and a long story.

The first thing I did was take her to the vet so he could check her, he adviced me to not put her in any grass or where other dogs have been just to prevent a sick puppy. Also, he told me to give Candy her food a little wet since she was very little, is she eating kibbles or not? I agree with Linda, you should wait some days before introducing her to other dogs not just Emma. Introduce her to things little by little so she learns to socialite since young as her mom would have done with new things, this prevents a very shy IG.

Be prepared to a lot of crying at night, Candy would cried all night long if I was not near her but I don't blame her she was very young so she slept with me from then on.
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Posted 09 August 2010 - 08:28 PM

I don't think the puppy is doomed to a life of problems...it could be that by taking her out of a bad situation, you are actually saving her from early trauma.

You really don't know what condition the puppies are in, and with the stress of being taken away from litter mates and mom, it's reisitance will go down....so if there is anything harboring....it could come out. My Vet always says that the first 10 days after a puppy leaves it's mom is when, if it is going to get sick....it will. That is why it should not be around other dogs, even brought into your parents house...best not to expose other dogs to the pup until you are 100% sure it's healthy....and then after that, only your dog.

I agree with you Wendy...I wouldn't let the owner (loosely said) give any shots...

Can't animal care and control be called if this is a situation where the pups are in danger? Do you know what is happening to the other puppies?

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Posted 09 August 2010 - 08:46 PM

I didn't know how much I should go into this, but here goes:

The woman who owns the mom bred her (apparently a one-time deal), then realized she didn't know what she'd gotten herself into. Through a series of circumstances, someone else (I'm going to call this couple "the angels") was in the home, found out that the woman wanted the puppies OUT, and volunteered to take them, find homes for them, and take care of them until they were taken to those homes. They negotiated with the woman to keep them until they were able to take solid food.

The angel who is taking the three puppies started looking for homes for them. She is friends with a good friend and co-worker of mine, who knew the story of my parents' Tess, her brief battle with cancer, and their mourning. She contacted me and put me in touch with the angel.

The angels have found definite homes for two puppies (as of last night) and had several people who wanted the third. I don't know what is going on with that one; the wife was trying to be very careful about promising a puppy to someone she wasn't sure could handle it.

And there you have it. I know that the very best thing would have been to bring IG rescue in at the very beginning...but we weren't involved then. We're just grateful that we are going to be able to help one of the puppies (if I were able, I'd take one as well).

Additional complications abound! 1) I'm a teacher and will start pre-planning next week (basically, back to work full-time). 2) My dad will be going out of town for a couple weeks. So, my mom will have this wee puppy all by herself! sad.gif I figure I'll be able to take Ems over a week from Friday, so the two dogs can meet, and maybe spend the weekend there. Then maybe that following week I can take Ems over a couple times; the only concern with staying overnight is that she'd have to stay the next day, too (which might be too much for Mom). I hate for my mom to be alone all that time (plus which, we're buddies as well as mother and daughter!).

If there's any risk of disease, I figure I should do the whole "wash my hands and change my shoes" thing before entering their house and upon leaving, as I've read some people have done with very sick dogs. Or is that overkill? smile.gif
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Posted 09 August 2010 - 08:56 PM

I wouldnt say it's a must but if you touched a dog before entering the home I would. The only problem with puppies are adult dogs who can carry diseases same as the grass, dogs pee and poo there so those things can have bacterias and diseases. She is going to sleep a lot so your mom would be fine, the only thing I would say would be a problem is at night but if she can sleep near your mom I think everything will be ok.


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Posted 09 August 2010 - 09:13 PM

Thanks, LadyCandy. smile.gif

To be honest...I'm as worried about Emma picking up something I take home from the puppy during her first ten days with my parents as I am the reverse, because of Emma's IMHA three years ago. I know she won't give the puppy anything from her own system (though she could track it in from outside)...so the shoes-and-handwashing thing will protect them both. smile.gif

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Posted 10 August 2010 - 03:29 AM

Wendy, I don't have any advice for you because I've never gotten a puppy that young, but I just wanted to welcome you to IG Whispers! I will say a prayer for this little pup.
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Posted 10 August 2010 - 05:41 AM

Washing hands and disinfecting shoes is def not overkill. When I go to a Petco or any pet supply store where pets are welcome...when i go home, I leave my shoes in the garage and use the Clorox hard surface disinfectant to clean the bottom of my shoes. Last year, all of my girls got a URI, and I swear it was because I didn't wash up after picking up treats at a pet supply store.

I think your Mom will be fine with the puppy. As long as the pup is healthy, eating, drinking, pooping, peeing and getting lots of cuddling and attention, all should be well. Like I said, if the pup IS incubating any type of virus, you should see it become evident within the first 10 days, if not right away. Your Vet will check for worms and any type of congestion in it's breathing and discharge from its nose and eyes. I agree about the pup sleeping with your Mom. I would get a tiny puppy collar and put a small cat bell on it. Then maybe get a small doughnut bed with a soft towel in it so the pup can snuggle with it. (my bed has a waterproof mattress cover under the mattress pad) When my girls were pups, I would even put a puppy leash on the pup in bed (short so they couldn't reach the edge of the bed)...and the bell would wake me up when the pup stirred. I would then take the puppy to a potty pad.

Or, you could try a small plastic crate that is nicely padded with towels and maybe a stuffed dog for warmth, even though it's not the same as a warm, breathing body.

These puppies are very lucky to have had an angel rescue them all. I just hope the mom is going to be spayed and taken care of as well. It will be very stressful for her to have had her pups taken away from her, poor thing.


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Posted 10 August 2010 - 02:37 PM

QUOTE (Wendy @ Aug 10 2010, 12:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks, LadyCandy. smile.gif

To be honest...I'm as worried about Emma picking up something I take home from the puppy during her first ten days with my parents as I am the reverse, because of Emma's IMHA three years ago. I know she won't give the puppy anything from her own system (though she could track it in from outside)...so the shoes-and-handwashing thing will protect them both. smile.gif

EDITED, because an English teacher shouldn't have made that error. :hangs head in shame:


No prob! I try to help as much as I can =)

Can't wait to see photos of the little pup!!

Here is a photo of Candy at one month and three week, she was so little people would ask if she was a chihuahua LOL



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Posted 10 August 2010 - 03:28 PM

Hi wendy, Glad you found the IGW! I saw your post over in the "dead forum" but didn't have any advice.
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Posted 11 August 2010 - 08:13 PM

She's 5 weeks old today, and weighed in at 2.5 pounds at the vet's office. He said she seems to be in good shape, and started the dewormer. He's never seen an IG this young and questioned whether her father might be a non-IG (we have papers on the mom, and the "angels" saw the mom but not the dad). She looks about right to me! wink.gif





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Can't wait to see her tomorrow! smile.gif Dr. T confirmed that it was a good idea to keep Ems and Maddy apart for ten days--thanks SO MUCH for that advice, as we wouldn't have known until today. After hearing that, my dad (who had been skeptical) stopped by my house to take Ems for a walk while I was at an all day training...and he changed clothes and shoes first. :sniffle: <3

EDIT: I should add that we found out from the "angel" last night that the woman wants to find a temporary home for the mom and dad dogs (together) while she gets some issues in her life straightened out. I directed the "angel" to IG rescue, and she passed that information along today. I don't know that "temporary" is an option with IGR...nor that it should be in this case. It sounds more and more like this is a poor home environment for animals (they were apparently flea-infested). sad.gif Hopefully they are healthy and will be able to be fostered and/or rehomed happily.

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Posted 11 August 2010 - 09:19 PM

So glad to know she's healthy!! To me she looks very IG, they don't look anything like an adult IG when very young. That's why people would confuse Candy with a Chihuahua LOL

As for the other IGs I just hope they get the attention they need either in that home or at rescue.

Silly me =/ forgot to mention how CUTE she looks!! =D <3 she sure is one cute puppy!!

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 03:42 AM

Oh my...she is a little peach! She looks to me just like an IG puppy. I see a lot of them at my breeder's house. She looks very comfy.
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Posted 12 August 2010 - 05:44 AM

Very cute, Wendy...yes, she looks all IG to me. Here in Florida, IGCA will not take in a dog on a temp. basis. However, there might be non-IGCS rescue that would take the other dogs in. I have a feeling that once they go in....they won't be coming out. They will get a release saying if they aren't picked up by a certain day, they will be surrendered to the rescue. She just can't leave them and pick them up whenever. They will have to be vet checked before any rescue takes them in.....because of exposure to other dogs....who will pay for that? I doubt the owner will.

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 09:12 AM

I thank you, new friends, for all of your kind words bout my Maddy. I'm glad Wendy posted the pix. When she shows me how to do it I will post some of my own. I am most appreciative for your advice on not exposing Emma to Maddy for 10 days. I spoke with Dr. T yesterday and he concurred.
Maddy is training me very well to take her to her litter box after a meal and sometimes when she whimpers. She has had no accidents except this morning when she was teething on and I was trying to get her to stop...she thought I was playing and she nibbled some more....and she peed on the sheet. I put her in her litter box and later fed her and returned her to the litter box. .. leaving her in the box while I put the wet sheet in the washer. She started crying, I went right to her and there she stood....over her poop.....with no idea what to do. I knew what to do.....lots of praise and cuddles. Right now she is swaddled in a soft towel and sleeping in my lap as I write this on my laptop....very interesting typing... spikey_rolleyes.gif

Now, I do have a wee problem with my girl. She has not actively drunk water since Tuesday night. I have offered it to her in a bowl; but she does not seem to know what to do. I mix her canned Canadae with puppy formula.....will that give her enough water/liquid. I also have dried small Canadae that I plan on mixing with water to make a mush. I gave her water via a syringe the vet gave me, and she gulped/swallowed that down. But I may have given it to her too fast last night and now she wants nothing to do with the syringe. I'm concerned bout her liquid intake. Any advice you could give me would be most appreciated.
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BTS: I called the vet bout and hour ago and his partner, Dr. W just called back. She said that Maddy is probably getting plenty of water/liquid with the canned food and formula; but that I could mix in extra water to her food if I want her to have more water. I still need advice from my friends, tho.

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 12:03 PM

Oh my goodness what a sweet pea!!! She is absolutely adorable! wub.gif Please keep us updated and keep posting pictures!
One more thing, there's this pillow they sell for puppies that you can put in the microwave- it's supposed to mimic the warmth of their mom and make them feel safe. There's also another one that mimics the heartbeat of their mom- maybe these would be helpful and bring comfort to such a young pup.

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 12:38 PM

QUOTE (adrenalina @ Aug 12 2010, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh my goodness what a sweet pea!!! She is absolutely adorable! wub.gif Please keep us updated and keep posting pictures!
One more thing, there's this pillow they sell for puppies that you can put in the microwave- it's supposed to mimic the warmth of their mom and make them feel safe. There's also another one that mimics the heartbeat of their mom- maybe these would be helpful and bring comfort to such a young pup.

Ooo--any idea where we could get these?

My own puppers is snuggled under the quilt on my bed...and we live in S. Florida. There's no such thing as "too warm" for an iggy! (except sunstroke...another topic entirely)
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Posted 12 August 2010 - 01:32 PM

Thanks for the hint bout the warming bed/ a heartbeat. Maddy has not really exhibited any stress bout missing her mom or her littermates. I guess I am now her "mom" cuz when I get out of sight and she is in her bed by herself, she cries. Right now she is snuggled under a towel against my hubby's chest. Tee hee This is the guy who really did not want another Iggy; but relinquished and let ME have one. When he left this am. for a meeting he bent over and rubbed his face against her head and then patted her. Last night he buttoned her into his PJ top like he used to do with our Tessie. Awwww he is on the phone with a business call and just said that God sends us blessings and perhaps this new little puppy has been sent to help heal the wound from losing our Tessie.

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 01:52 PM

Just be very careful with any type of heating pad put against such a young pup....and never use a heating pad meant for people. I just got a message from Katie (Kasia and Mobley)....her Kasia had a dental and the techs at the clinic put a heating pad on her as she was "sleeping it off" and it gave her third degree burns...now she has to have a series of skin grafts....the burned skin sloughed off.

Here is the Snuggle Puppy I got Mischa......it has a warming packet that you put in the microwave and a beating heart....very nice

http://snugglepuppys...ggleKitties.htm

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Something that I like to do with a puppy, esp since it left the mom so soon and might become stressed with all the changes (although it sounds like she is adjusting really nice) is to give a tiny bit of Karo Syrup through a syringe about 2-3 times a day....it keeps their sugar level up and helps the appetite.

As far as fluids go...as long as you keep mixing water (I like distilled) in with the kibble and or canned...she will be fine. I bet you can even add in a little plain yogurt and she would love it.
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Posted 12 August 2010 - 01:54 PM

I just saw that the Snuggle Puppies are all sold out...you might check Amazon for a different vendor.
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Posted 12 August 2010 - 01:57 PM

found it

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 02:20 PM

Such a cutie! Congratulations spikey_biggrin.gif

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Posted 12 August 2010 - 04:21 PM

Oh my.....she is ADORABLE!! Congrats on you new baby. You are also an angel for getting her out of that situation. Sounds like she has Daddy wrapped around her paw already. mosking.gif For being such a young'in she sure is adjusting great to her new home. Amazing what a lot of lovin' will do.

P.S. Please give that pudgy puppy belly a bunch of kisses for me.
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